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.(Niko)”So much to ponder about this post, and I have to confess that I’m trying to ease my way back into these kinds of enquiries again after having spent a lot of time participating in everyday life and some of my more conventional and mundane interests. So please excuse me, Wry, and other possible readers if my response seems somewhat out of touch or “rusty.”
(Wry) Thanks for a wonderful message. When I resumed writing here two months ago I also started researching K, which I haven’t done for many years, and discovered so much new material about K (and G, also) that it has sent me into a kind of spin, sometimes utterly thrilling (mainly from the G angle) and sometimes devastating though ‘enlightening’ (from both angles,). A whole new realm of insight is emerging.which is giving a better defined direction/orientation as to how I want to approach. So is this using thought as a tool in order to go through the doorway into another room, and when I get into the other room or dimension, do I leave thought behind? Interesting in deed. The way to approach is now clearer, er/or is it actually? Btw, (by the way), interesting word, errOR. From Wikipedia re G’s book, All And Everything: “Beelzebub relates his past experiences in a solar system called Ors (our solar system) where he had been banished for rebelling against His Endlessness. He spent his exile in observation of the solar system, and of Earth and humans in particular. He visited Earth six times and observed it from just after its creation until 1922. Because of his help in the eradication of animal sacrifice on Earth, Beelzebub was pardoned from his sentence.”.
(Niko) “The notion of the “ultimate harmfulness of K’s teaching (mentioned above) ((wry: see previous message for greater context)) did instantly grab my attention, though. I guess that in a way this is a question that has been functioning as a kind of backdrop for all these years of enquiry…”
(Wry): I had a concern, and this was very distressful to me, that it might keep people who got hooked into it from developing, but, oddly, it never occurred to me until a few days ago how it could to a much greater degree possibly negatively effect larger humanity. Will be writing on this topic in more specific detail later.
(Niko) “…When taken seriously, the online groups had a lot to offer, and I participated in three or four of them. To me, taking K’s ideas apart and really examining them critically and putting them up against other frameworks is what lead to any progress in understanding “The Teachings” that I ever might have made….)
(Wry) Yes. Putting it up against other frameworks. Personal Inquiry and group enquiry into the discrepancy factor can be like mining for jewels. Now when we do this do we need to ask why jewels are valuable or if it really even matters or why we want jewels? In short, all of this is built in by a process which is mainly though possibly not entirely mechanical. How do we separate the wheat from the chaff or the jewels from the earth and is it necessary or even possible to effectively do so? To K nature was a jewel.but imo he did not really understand how nature works. For me and probably many others this is and probably on some level even to K was about a clinging to so-called jewels or anything. Also, let’s not forget to look at what “jewels” can represent, and do we know how to consciously make and use representation or does this process happen mechanically in a way that life, ie nature uses us? Can we make greater meaning from the mining for jewels by using our jewel money to buy food for poor people? Or maybe just give them the jewels? That would be quicker and more practical then making a whole farm. But what is farming? So much metaphor and allegory is about farming, such as, for example, tilling the soil. Or, actually, is that even a metaphor? Well, someone just made it into such.
Getting tired now as have been up since around 3:45 this morning for more than six hours, so will reply later to what you wrote re Bohm’s comment re fine-tuning, and also his quoting of Hegel’s aphorism about the owl.
Deconstructing Krishnamurti 