Niko wrote: “In an earlier post on this blog, I talked about David Bohm’s doubts concerning the ultimate usefulness of Krishnamurti’s teachings.” This may be kind of dark, though it could be said that in order to see the light there must be contrast. Anyway, just musing, it occurs to me that, as far as I know, no one, including myself, has ever talked about the ultimate (?) harmfulness of K’s teaching. Again, just musing, as this is not the topic of this response now right now, even though, at least according to K, the future is now.
….. “Krishnamurti encouraged this “questioning” as long as it was set up as a sort of Koan in his listeners’ minds. There were boundaries set as to what the questioning could be. For example, questions about K himself were off limits. K seemingly knew where he wanted people to go with their “questions” and David Bohm was unable to get there.” Yes, and it all comes down to the topic of framing and, I suppose, whether it is subjective or objective, but in order to understand this better it may be necessary to delve into the (objective?) meaning of “subjective” and “objective.”which brings us full circle back to the topic of the two aspects of truth, so is it (even) possible to square that circle? Something to ponder.
(To those who are following the dialogue that is from many different angles beginning to unfold , you can go back and find and read or reread Niko”s original messages, as I am and probably mainly will be responding to selective comments.) So, as you said, Niko, it is a matter of discernment re what is the meaning of enlightenment or most anything except certain definitive topics, such as the sun comes up every day and/or this is the specific literal path I take, ie, have chosen to take, in order to get home, and we know this does not jell with the statement K made, “Truth is a pathless land.” He sure did (try to) take a great big short-cut in order to get so called home, whatever that meant to him, and that is sad in that according to himself he felt he had wasted his life as he did not actualize his aim to help people.
Am getting tired as it is 4 am, so will continue later re the–subject of framing and so called enlightenment. In the meantime (interesting word:-), here is some food for thought: Search: “the doorway effect.”
Deconstructing Krishnamurti 